Well, I see we have a member. Welcome, Wolfie. What's your area of radio interest?
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Thu, September 25, 2003 - 5:54 AMJust getting into it actually. Working on my license (amatuer). And you? -
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Thu, September 25, 2003 - 6:19 AMUsed to be a CB'er, currently use MURS for family ops, and I have been General class amateur for about two years now.
There's also a good forum at Popular Wireless which I visit frequently (I am there as Critter, which used to be my CB handle). I decided to start this tribe because I wanted to see what interest it would generate, and maybe build another community around radio.
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Tue, October 28, 2003 - 3:34 PMHi from a UK novice radio ham. Am now in my 2nd year of permission to use most of the bands that the fully-fledged Class A or B UK operators can, but at under 10W of power.
I've mostly used a Standard C510a handheld on 145MHz FM repeaters with a gain-free Discone antenna, using solar power from my tiny caravan!! First rig I played with was a Drake TR7 belonging to my electronics mentor.
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Thu, October 30, 2003 - 6:40 AMNice use of solar. I admire that.
I use two rigs, one on the 2m band (or 145MHz as you were calling it) and one on the 10m band (28/29MHz). The 2m rig is an Icom T2H handheld, connected to a Ramsey PA10 amplifier (gives me 30W) into a 3dB antenna. The other is a RadioShack (I think they're known as Tandy in the UK) HTX-10 though a base-loaded antenna that stands around 75cm tall (very short for that band).
I can get into FM repeaters through both rigs.
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Fri, November 21, 2003 - 11:10 PMHi all, from Montana!
General class ham, scanner buff here. Usually work 2m/70cm bands on an Icom handheld.
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Mon, November 24, 2003 - 7:12 AMHey, welcome aboard. Still kind of in the early phases of getting things rolling, but feel free to fire off a topic and see what comes out of it. I'll probably post something new in a day or two as a conversation starter.
73 DE KC2IDF
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Wed, July 14, 2004 - 10:50 PMThe Popular Wireless site is quite valuable for discussion about GMRS. I put in for my GMRS license on Monday (I've held an Amateur callsign for thirty years). The kids (my brothers') got into FRS recently, so I bought a pair of the ones that the pharmacy sells (!)
FRS is basically a 500 milliwatt amateur 440 band simplex net kind of a setup (technically, not in terms of purpose). The FRS radio pair I bought stipulated in its instructions that they were type-accepted for more than one service (Part 95A and 95B) so I took a closer look at GMRS. Actually I have the chronology wrong; I bought my Icom IC-F21GM H-T for purposes of joining in on the fun with the kids on FRS; I didn't get the distinction between 95A and 95B. It was that radio that hinted in the instructions a GMRS license was in order, which got me looking at Part 95 of the FCC Rules, which is where I found why it's licensed (an FRS isn't). The main thing here is to do your kerchunking on FRS 8-14 so you don't use the GMRS-only channels; unfortunately the IC-F21GM simply will not transmit in a way that mimics type-accepted FRS equipment; the IC-F21GM always puts out at least a full watt, which is double the allowed power on FRS (and this rig will do about 3.6 watts out, on high output setting).
I probably don't have that right; it's late and I am not going to fix it tonight. ;)
Basically, I bought a commercial grade H-T thinking I was buying an FRS rig, when in fact I was buying a GMRS rig. Decoding ad copy when you don't know the fundamentals (and don't suspect any!) can um get you into a position where you've just spend a couple hundred bux and now you have to spend an unplanned 75 bux more, to throw at the FCC's .. door. ;)
73,
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Thu, July 15, 2004 - 4:59 AMYes, the problem with the current breed of radios is that they are all GMRS/FRS hybrids, something that a lot of folks over at Popular Wireless have declared to be a Bad Thing[tm].
These radios operate in FRS on the FRS-only channels (8-14) and in GMRS on the GMRS-only channels (15-22). Most operate as GMRS in the FRS/GMRS channels (1-7), and so need a license. Kind of silly, if you ask me. If they are going to make radios that need a licence, then they should make radios that are worth having a license for (5W, perhaps?)
Besides the power level, there is also the deviation issue. GMRS allows a 25kHz bandwidth, which usually is met by doing 5kHz deviation with a 3-5kHz audio bandwidth, giving 16-20kHz bandwidth. FRS explicitly says 2.5kHz deviation and (IIRC) 3125Hz audio bandwidth. Undoubtedly, this adds to the difficulty of getting it to mimic the other radios. -
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Thu, July 15, 2004 - 9:58 AMI think the thing here is that the FCC is regarding Part 95B (FRS) as a legitimate Service; as such the non-licensed participant is supposed to read and abide by the FCC Rules governing that Service. There's no real provision for using a radio in that Service without perforce also reading and understanding the rules governing it, and this is a large communication gap, since the radios aren't vended under such a paradigm (nothing in the instructions warns of this truth). All parties in-the-know (The FCC; manufacturers of Part 95B equipment) are predicating their actions on the idea that if you build a radio with a reasonable type-accepted feature set, the Rules apply themselves, which is of course not true at all (deedle-deedle! deedle-deedle!)
Further, Part 95A Licensees (GMRS) are supposed to understand what you've (admirably) spelled out (above) wrt type-acceptance issues, especially on hared (interstitial) frequencies, where they operate as either GMRS stations, or as bona fide FRS stations, by choice! Without understanding the exact capabilities (preset) of the rigs used, they can quite easily be in violation of Part 95 (by over-deviation for example). I'm trying to memorize correct equipment settings and also, operational procedures -- it is quite a large matrix of capabilities vs Rules to apply (including operating procedures unrelated to selection of toggled microprocessor-controlled features set in the various radio equipment's firmware packages!)
Easiest way to go about that is to visit the FCC website and research the FCC-ID of the equipment to be used (my five GMRS-capable transmitters -- two pairs of tranceivers and a fifth singleton -- each kind has its own unique type-acceptance issues.) Bottom line seems to be the (somewhat hidden) fact that these new rigs on the market are dual type-accepted, and the human operator has to study (in quite some detail) the necessary literature to be in constant compliance with Part 95 (overall).
Never mind the cultural resistance to obeying these Rules (which carry the force of law, etc.) It's difficult to stay within the Rules even when you're trying to do so!
This is in no way a new situation. ;)
Maybe that's why the FCC processed my form 610, filed via ULS online, in THIRTY SIX HOURS! [pokes head out of monitor to grin]. And issued a callsign. I think they're aware they've got to perform here, if they're going to exact a filing Fee.
Gotta give Mr. Powell considerable credit here, perhaps.
73 de
GMRS WQAP464
ARS WA1TNR
link to Part 95:
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Sun, July 18, 2004 - 11:40 AMYeah, when I worked at RS a while back. I would carefully explain the general legalities (where to apply for/how to get a GMRS license) to all people who bought FRS/GMRS combo transcievers. Most people would balk at the thought of having to pay a $75 fee to become ligitimately licensed and alot of them (unknowingly I'm sure) ended up using some/all of the GMRS freqs.
Here's the GMRS app directly from "the" website.
wireless.fcc.gov/feesforms...mobile.pdf
-Cheers, Bruno
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Sun, July 18, 2004 - 11:23 AMBruno here, longtime CB user (used to be jaybird broadcasting out of The Methow-Valley back in '80-83), intermitt FRS user, scanner-buff, sound-engineer wanna-be and all things RF/electronic.
Glenn, I've thought alot lately about getting in to amatuer HAM (technician-plus license) and am wondering about learning resources for code. I've already looked in to all the resources offered on the AARL site but was curious, from your experience, if there's one resource that sticks out in your mind?
-Cheers, Bruno
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Mon, July 19, 2004 - 5:48 AMHm. Don't know of any specific resources.
I had already learned morse code bit by bit over the last ten years in a line of thinking of "I'll get my ham ticket someday" and when I got ready to upgrade from tech to general, I just threw together some computer software to generate drills for me. I lost that software in a hard drive failure some time ago, unfortunately. It would generate random 5-letter "words" and put them into an MP3 file, which it put on my web server along side a text file. It refreshed every 24 hours, and I took five minutes every day at lunch to transcribe some code.
If you're a sound-engineer wanna-be, you might just want to go the next step to General so you can play with more of the HF bands. There are a lot of hams on HF that take pride in the sound quality of their signals, and rightly so. Some are using broadcast mics with EQ's, compressor/limiters, tube preamps, the lot. This kind of disappears when you get into VHF+ because most operations on VHF+ are on narrowband FM, which is usually combined with high-pass filtering to protect/accomodate CTCSS, and thus, takes a lot of the thunder out of the sound.
Let me qualify that last one, though; I have heard some nice-sounding rigs on VHF-FM. They're just very rare.
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Mon, July 19, 2004 - 2:03 PMWow, Thanks Glenn for all those pearls-of-wisdom! Your personal solution to improving your code is very crafty. I'll be looking for pre-recorded files (MP3 would be fine...) of random words. I can start slow then begin to crank up the WPM by running it through Goldwave(TM) to speed it up (pitch-controlled). Another solution would be to tune into the AARL's code practice broadcasts on some of the HF bands (CW) at different times/WPM's so you get the real world sound/feel for code with all the pumping, fading, and RF noise you'd really be hearing. I know I've come accross this before when scanning the HF on my shortwave tuner but haven't upgraded my antenna from the included reel-up longwire yet.
I haven't done much computer programming since learning basic on an Exidy/Sorcerer back in like '82. I have alot of catching-up to do if I'm going to make it as a programmer - LOL!
Another question for you: would going for a general really be that much better on the HF bands? I've been reaserching making a better di-pole for hearing skip from HAMS on 60/80/90 meters more reliably on my wideband tuner. I need to check my reference material on this but if my memory serves me correctly (it doesn't always) general class opens up more bands above and below the allocations for the technician-plus class? Do the seasoned "old-timers" tend to use those areas of the dial more (as a general rule-of-thumb)?
You're a perfect example of someone that knows (inside and out), respects and uses HAM responsibly and wisely. I have heard echoed in the HAM community (on more than one occassion) that the amount of "young-blood" getting involved in HAM is really starting to dwindle -- possibly hurting the eventual crediblity with the "powers that be"? Is this claim true? I haven't seen any actual numbers to prove this but then again I haven't looked into it beyond what I've heard from friends/enthusiasts.
-Thanks again for all your advice!
-Cheers, Bruno
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Mon, July 19, 2004 - 11:34 PMHi Bruno.
You can check Part 97 (or arrl.org) for current allocations and emission modes for all license classes; typically, the morse code element of the FCC exam is there as gateway to any HF communications (communications apt to propagate beyond the local area without further help from technology, once it leaves your antenna). This makes sense; spectra are scarce in the HF bands (everybody wants a slice) and HF signals perforce are international in nature.
I'm only on VHF and have quite forgotten the exact sub-bands allocated to which license classes; I think the old Novice 80m band was 3700-3750 when I was using it; I knew the 40m and 15m allocations at the time, since I only operated on 80m, 40m and 15m CW initially (a Novice license did not permit telephony, only CW! Code requirement for this License was 5 wpm).
I learned morse from a retired military member who learned using a peculiar method involving mnemonics. For example, H is 'hitting the hip' (di-di-di-dit). W is 'the world war' (dit-dah-dah). Q is 'here comes the bride' (dah-dah-dit-dah) (mnemonic: Q for Queen; a bride is the man's queen etc. -- it's mnemonic, not Gospel hi hi). Worked very well for me at 5 wpm; not sure what it does to my mental process at 20wpm!
My younger brother heard me calling a 3x3 CQ on CW (heard the sidetone in the shack) pretty often when we were growing up (I got my ticket at age 14). More than a decade later, at a family gathering, he was able to recite the 3x3 call-up perfectly -- and didn't know morse whatsoever or what it was he was reciting. But not a dit or a dah was misplaced; he said:
dah-dit-dah-dit
dah-dah-di-dah.
dah-dit-dah-dit
dah-dah-di-dah.
dah-di-dit
dit.
di-dah-dah
dit-dah
di-dah-dah-dah-dah
dah
dah-dit
dit-dah-dit.
di-dah-dah
dit-dah
di-dah-dah-dah-dah
dah
dah-dit
dit-dah-dit.
di-dah-dah
dit-dah
di-dah-dah-dah-dah
dah
dah-dit
dit-dah-dit.
dah-dit-dah.
He could not tell you to this day what any of it meant, but I bet he can still recite it, accurately. My other brother can give my ham call in ICAO phoenetics, but never processed what it meant (can't decode it!)
I think both are indicators of how these things act upon the mind.
I used to send CW (morse) in the high school radio club while conversing in the room with people (essentially participating in two simultaneous conversations; one in spoken voice and the other in morse). I also learned to send morse left-handed, so I could take notes on paper, using my right hand.
I wrote a program in gforth (a Forth) to cause a microcontroller to sound arbitrary morse using a piezo buzzer (a somewhat inexpensive transducer). The idea at the time was to gain meaningful output from a microcontroller that a human could understand as a message, without the bother of an LCD display.
There's a way to (somewhat) mediate amplitude of the resultant morse pattern (louder or softer) as well as pitch and the rest of it. It worked pretty well. I've taught nearly every machine I've had my hands on at least some morse annunciation capability (often as simple as leveraging any existing 'beep' type of command the system already offered; my job was simply to organize program I/O into morse-recognizeable patterns.
As far as learning morse in the first place; I used W1AW code practice transmissions as my primary means to get someone (or something) else to encode an uknown message in morse, send it on a schedule, with an easy means to verify I'd copied it correctly (by looking up that text in Q-Street from a prior month's issue). It was fun since the text was often something I did not pay attention to when my subscription was delivered via ground mail; and also it wasn't random text, which I don't think is appropriate for starting out as a novice CW radio operator. After all, today I hear 'the' and not 'tee ache ee' -- short words and the roots of words tend to be heard as that word, not as their component characters; this is a language like any other.
de Chris WA1TNR since 1974
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Tue, July 20, 2004 - 5:52 AM"CQ CQ DE WA1TNR WA1TNR WA1TNR K"
You know, there's nothing magical about his memorizing it. Morse code has a rhythm just as surely as any music you've ever heard. It can be easily expressed in a 4/4 time signature, using a 1/4 note followed by a 1/4 rest for each dit and a dotted 1/2 note followed by a 1/4 rest for each dah.
Funny thing, before I got to seriously learning the code, I could identify two or three of the local repeaters by their CW ID's (not to mention they used different courtesy tones) and was able to anticipate each dit and dah, even though I wasn't thinking about their meaning. These were K2AE/R, W2IR/R and W1FFK/RPT.
73 DE Glenn (KC2IDF since 2001)
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Tue, July 20, 2004 - 5:44 AMNot sure where you could find such audio files at this time, but certainly if you find them, share the wealth here :)
The program I had written was actually a set of short C filters and a BASH script gluing them all together, running on Linux. It turned out a raw PCM file of 16kHz 16bits/sample mono, which I could then pipe into an MP3 encoder. Since my workstation and my web server shared some drive space, I just had the output written to that drive space and presto! it appeared instantly on the web. I could probably do it again, but this time I'd probably just have the web server run it directly, since it has been upgraded from the '486 I had at the time.
There is something to be said for the ARRL code tests with respect to the reality of copying code, yes. However, when you take the test, there is no pumping or fading, it's just rock-solid tone.
On General vs. Tech.... Tech has all privilidges above 50MHz. the higher classes of license only add privs in the HF/MF range. One of my favourites, though, is to operate FM on 10m, and you can't do that under a Tech Plus license.
As a Tech Plus, you get no access to 160m, 30m, 20m, 17m or 12m. Of these, you will probably want access to 20m. It seems to be the single-most popular band for fixed ops below VHF, and second-most popular for mobile ops below VHF (after 10m).
Regarding young blood, how young :-) I know a couple of young operators, John, KC2HRP, from Rotterdam, NY and Chris, KC2HSU from Utica, NY are both under 18. Chris makes a point of seeking me out at every hamfest.
Regarding the overall population of ham radio operators, I have an explanation I've given a few times (maybe it's even in this thread, but I don't feel like looking back at the second). The theory is this: There are, historically, four classes of ham radio operators:
1. Those who need access to the telephone network wirelessly. These folks would use autopatches to get that access, but have since moved to cellular phones, because they are so cheap and ubiquitous now.
2. Those who want to make long-distance communications without spending an arm and a leg. These folks used HF historically, but have moved to the Internet or even started using the phone, now that phone service is cheap.
3. Those who need some form of intra-family communications on an ad-hoc basis. 2m repeaters do this admirably, but may be overkill sometimes. The bravest of these folks moved to CB for this purpose, but since the late 90's, FRS has been the killer app for this purpose. Of course GMRS has been there a long time, and is starting to rise in popularity, but I honestly believe that the larger portion of the GMRS population today is pirate, since GMRS requires a license like CB used to. Then, of course, there is MURS, which I use for my family, since it is much more thinly populated, and interference is rare.
4. People who genuninely love radio. Are all of these folks hams? No. Some are CB'ers, others take up a career in commercial or broadcast radio or cellular telephony, whatever catches their interest.
So you see, the problem is that the population has been decimated down to what it really should have been in the first place.
Lastly, you asked how this affects credibility, and I regret that I don't know the answer to that one.
Thanks for the kind words, and good luck.
P.S. If you don't want to go up to General straight away, you don't have to. Your code test is good for one year after passing, IIRC. That being the case, if you decide, within a year of going Tech Plus, to go General, it's just a written test away. -
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Tue, July 20, 2004 - 7:34 AMThanks Glenn and manazavahagala, great real-world solutions and advice for learning code. I especially like the comparison of code to music in that code has a rythm like all music does - thanks Glenn. I do have a pretty good ear for music and used to be able to read it (well ... still can just haven't picked up my trumpet from the high-school days in quite some time). That suggestion really helps put code into a prespective that I can understand and appreciate.
Sorry for getting the acronym WRong for ARRL.
"young-blood" :-) -yeah I guess I'm not a "whipper-snapper" any more, am I? Well, atleast I don't feel like an surly "old-fart" yet ... even though I may sound like one on occassion.
-See you both on the playa?
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Wed, July 21, 2004 - 10:40 PMUsually it's "thee aye duble are ell" when said aloud. ;)
73
Chris
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Wed, July 21, 2004 - 11:01 PMHams study FCC Part 97 -- that's tradition. ;)
Notice I never said ".. and comply." There's some tradition there, to comply. And lots of chatter on how (or if!) to do so. I'm deep set in the compliance camp.
I uh never fully enjoyed any form of telephony that went out over the airwaves where everybody could hear it, other than perhaps early in my License I used sideband to participate in NTS (the National Traffic System). My Elmer was big into NTS, and perforce it colors my experience of radio. Taking the Novice exam in '74 at W1AW also colored my experience, quite a bit. The exam was given by a punched-tape reader (the same one W1AW used to send code practice and CW bulletins with) which keyed a sidetone. The advance of the tape reader was the primary distraction (I liked it and didn't mind listening to its generation of QRM ;) In our high school there was a reel-to-reel (paper tape also, but narrow gauge) optical code sending unit to practice with; it was fun fooling around with but I do not recall ever -- oh yes! I operated CW long before I got my own Amateur callsign -- how could I forget *that*.
And that's the real story behind my building my facility at CW reading -- I had a QSO during a free period most days (usually just before lunch, and usually on 40 meters, if I recall correctly).
Getting my own ticket and rig was almost a non-event; I was doing the major things well before then (and the fellow who's father's License was the basis of our club's callsign .. WA1ROT .. yep .. I believe he was a stickler for detail, in the good way .. at any rate, I sure as shootin' knew how to dip and peak the finals hi hi).
So: CW was my first interest in Amateur radio, not telephony (at all). People are criticized wrt the notion "I have a radio; I want to see who else has one and chat with them for <foo> reason (usually, to see 'if it is working')." Cell phone users do that as well (heck, dial-up POTS users do as much.
Can you hear me now?
GMRS is great for direct simplex operations out to a mile, which covers a lot of needs. I recently completed a trip from Worcester, MA to Torrington, CT and in convoy with someone covered under my GMRS License. The pair of handhelds served as a good range-finder; even when I could not (rarely) understand what was said, I could judge the distance pretty accurately (can't do that on a cellular phone!)
The neat thing about GMRS is the family aspect -- there was no way any of them [family] were going to get a 'free' Amateur license, even though the test to get one is like falling off a log, it's so easy. My family introduced *me* to GMRS! in the guise of cheap, hybrid (so-called 'bubble pack') radios. I'd never heard of a 'group' [family!] License before I (recently) reread Part 95 -- what a great idea!
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Thu, July 22, 2004 - 12:52 AMYeah, without a doubt, I would already fall in to the compliance camp when it comes to HAM and related transcievers. There's a reason the **C conducts in-depth studies of bandwidth use and allocations -- basically to prevent anarchy on the airwaves. I remember in the early days of CB (for me) I'd get on our Realistic base-station with a 1/4 wave ground plane antenna located in the upper Methow Vally (E. WA) and when the skip was really pumping (especially when it came out of Southern Cali) it just sounded like a caucophony of overlapping key-ups -- everyone talking over eachother trying to be the loudest and the proudest. Touting the heavy-duty "boots" they were using -- repeating ello-ello-ello. Now I listen to CB on my scanner and even with my high-gain rubber-duck the airwaves are quiet. I'm also hearing more of the truckers that used to use CB have moved over to 2-meter HAM for its reliable connections to local repeaters and the etiquette factor. HAMS have way more respect for their "use of the airwaves" priveledges than the yahoos of the late 70's early 80's on CB.
I mean after all you do have to prepare for and actually take a test to become a HAM which weeds out most of the yahoos I'm sure!
-On a side note ... So you're a Masshole, eh? My girlfriend of more than 13 yrs. grew up in Bawston (Brighton I think) and one of my best friends here in Seattle grew up on the Cape (used to surf Coastguard Beach).
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Thu, July 22, 2004 - 7:34 AMOddly enough, it seems the best way to cut through the noise on CB is with good audio processing, since so few have it. I haven't tried this myself, but I have gotten recommendations for some audio processors that can be legally installed inside most CB's and provide basic compressor/limiter functionality.
On that same vein, I had also heard recommendations for replacement IF filters to sharpen recpetion; also legal.
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Thu, July 22, 2004 - 7:05 AMOne of the reasons we picked (Okay, I picked) MURS for my family is that I don't ever have to concern myself with who I hand a radio to. I can hand it to a family member or a friend and not concern myself with license compliance.
...and the airwaves are quiet.
My wife and I both have 5/8 wave 2m antennas on our cars, and we use them with MURS when we go on a road trip. Of course, with non-hybrid GMRS radios, you can do this same trick, using a 70cm antenna instead.
Funny thing about the antenna on her car. My wife is not a ham, but she asked me if I could put an antenna on her car like the one on mine so that she could find her car in a parking lot. I kid you not.
Another advantage, besides range finding, that all four of the personal radio services (MURS/GMRS/CB/FRS) have over using a cell phone for a road trip is that there are times when you can see the person you want to talk to, but are not in range of a tower. Guess what that means? You're incommunicado.
I've never gotten involved in the NTS, and that is something I would like to correct one of these days. Don't they do portions of it in CW, though? I thought it was a mixture of phone, CW and RTTY--whatever gets the message to the next operator in the chain.
I basically don't use CW. I have nothing against it; it just doesn't catch my fancy. I'm very keen on FM, because, despite its broad-bandedness, it is less power-hungry than AM, and more operator-friendly than SSB. It skips reasonably well when 10m is open, and can serve as a very nice heads-up that 10m is open (just leave the radio on 29600 or 29660- (where you will hear the W5DFW repeater) with the squelch just barely closed and you will know if the band opens). SSB would probably be my #2 choice, but only because the operator population on AM seems limited and long-winded.
Don't get me wrong, I love a good rag chew, but a rag chew should consist of a long conversation of short transmissions, not a dialogue of monologues. We can save that for non-interactive media, like e-mail and message boards :-)
Well, enough for now. 73 DE KC2IDF
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